Legislature(2001 - 2002)

04/08/2002 03:25 PM House L&C

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HB 277-SELF-STORAGE FACILITY LIENS                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MURKOWSKI announced  that the next order  of business would                                                               
be HOUSE  BILL NO. 277,  "An Act relating  to liens by  owners of                                                               
self-storage  facilities;  distinguishing  self-storage  facility                                                               
liens  from another  type of  storage lien;  and excluding  self-                                                               
storage liens from the treatment of certain unclaimed property."                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1958                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHN  DAVIES, Alaska State  Legislature, testified                                                               
as the  sponsor of  HB 277.   Representative Davies  informed the                                                               
committee that the bill has received  a fair amount of comment to                                                               
which  he has  responded  via the  proposed committee  substitute                                                               
(CS).  The CS addresses all the concerns raised to date.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1973                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HALCRO   moved  to  adopt   Version  22-LS0175\L,                                                               
Bannister,  4/5/02, as  the  working document.    There being  no                                                               
objection, Version L was before the committee.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DAVIES  noted that  an  owner  of a  self-storage                                                               
facility  brought forth  this  issue.   The  problem arises  when                                                               
someone fails  to make payment  or leaves  town and the  owner of                                                               
the facility  ends up having a  storage unit with full  of stuff.                                                               
Existing statute requires that the  facility owner dispose of the                                                               
material at a  public auction, which the  facility operators have                                                               
found to  be inconvenient.   Once it's  determined that  the bill                                                               
isn't  going to  be paid,  it  can take  six to  eight months  to                                                               
coordinate an auction.  During  that time, the facility owner has                                                               
to keep the  material safe and thus, it generally  means that one                                                               
of  the   storage  units   is  in  use   and  can't   be  rented.                                                               
Therefore,  this legislation  proposes  changing the  requirement                                                               
such that the  facility owner can dispose of the  material in the                                                               
manner of their  choice.  The bill does  include some protections                                                               
in that  the proceeds from the  disposal of the material  must be                                                               
held for  a year so  that the  individual who owned  the material                                                               
could apply for  the proceeds of the sale of  the material in the                                                               
storage unit minus the cost of disposal.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DAVIES explained  that Version  L clarifies  that                                                               
the statute  of the residential  Landlord and Tenant  Act doesn't                                                               
apply in  these situations.   The CS  also clarifies that  if the                                                               
rental charges are unpaid for  four days, then the facility owner                                                               
may place an over lock on the unit  and hold it until the rent is                                                               
paid.    If the  rental  charges  are  unpaid  for 60  days,  the                                                               
facility  owner may  take possession  of  the personal  property.                                                               
There was  objection to  the language requiring  the name  of the                                                               
facility owner  to be  included in  the mailed  notification, and                                                               
therefore  that  was  removed.     If  there  is  more  than  one                                                               
delinquent  unit at  a  time, a  single  publication can  include                                                               
several  delinquent  units.     Section  34.35.649  includes  the                                                               
definitions  of  facility  owner,   rental  agreement,  and  unit                                                               
renter.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1762                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HALCRO informed the  committee that the two places                                                               
he  has contacted  in Juneau  require a  security deposit,  which                                                               
means that the  facility owner receives one month's  [rent] for a                                                               
security deposit.   Instead of  utilizing the  security deposits,                                                               
the legislation specifies  that after four days the  locks can be                                                               
changed.    In  Section   34.35.600(c)  the  legislation  further                                                               
specifies  that "a  facility owner  is  not required  to apply  a                                                               
security deposit received by the  facility owner to the reduction                                                               
of  the  rental  charges  when  determining  whether  the  rental                                                               
charges  have  been  paid  when  due."   He  questioned  why  the                                                               
language wouldn't  specify that  the security deposit  be applied                                                               
until it has been liquidated at  which time the locks on the unit                                                               
could be changed.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DAVIES  related  his   belief  that  the  current                                                               
practice is to  change the locks after there has  been no payment                                                               
for three  to four  days.   Although he said  he wouldn't  have a                                                               
problem with  [Representative Halcro's suggestion],  he suspected                                                               
that the facility owners probably would.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1623                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
AMY  KAUFMAN,  Staff  to   Representative  Davies,  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, testified  on behalf of Representative  Davies.  Ms.                                                               
Kaufman  related her  understanding that  typically the  security                                                               
deposit is used  to cover how the unit is  left [upon termination                                                               
of  the  agreement].    She  acknowledged  that  various  storage                                                               
facilities  could have  different agreements  with regard  to the                                                               
security deposit.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MURKOWSKI  directed attention to the  definition of "amount                                                               
owed" in  Version L.   She related  her belief that  the security                                                               
deposit should  be used to offset  the amount owed once  the lien                                                               
on the personal property is eliminated, at the end of the day.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAVIES noted his  agreement.  However, with regard                                                               
to changing the  locks after four days, he said  that would still                                                               
be the preference.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HALCRO  expressed  concern  with  the  timelines,                                                               
especially for those  in the military.  He said  that there seems                                                               
to be  little protection for  those who might be  suddenly called                                                               
away.   Upon hearing  from the  audience that  military personnel                                                               
are covered  under federal law, Representative  Halcro questioned                                                               
whether  that  [exemption  for   military  personnel]  should  be                                                               
specified in the legislation.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DAVIES said  that  he wasn't  sure  that in  fact                                                               
[military  personnel  are  exempt  per  the  federal  law].    He                                                               
explained  that  the  legislation attempts  to  clarify  existing                                                               
state   statute   and   change   the   mechanism   of   disposal.                                                               
Representative  Davies remarked  that even  if someone  is called                                                               
away   [for  military   purposes],  that   individual  is   still                                                               
responsible  for their  affairs.   Furthermore,  a valid  mailing                                                               
address is required,  which would be utilized  with the certified                                                               
mail  notification.     Therefore,  maintaining  normal  business                                                               
practices, such as a current address, would avoid problems.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1465                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MURKOWSKI pointed out that  the definition of "amount owed"                                                               
includes  personnel and  administrative  costs,  which is  fairly                                                               
broad term.  She asked if there  is a way in which to define what                                                               
is included in personnel and administrative costs.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. KAUFMAN said that hasn't been addressed.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAVIES commented that  the normal remedy for those                                                               
charges  viewed to  be  unreasonable  is to  go  to civil  court.                                                               
Representative Davies related his  belief that when an individual                                                               
enters into  an agreement to rent  a storage unit, the  terms and                                                               
conditions  should   be  specified   in  the   rental  agreement.                                                               
Perhaps,  this  aspect of  state  law  could  be required  to  be                                                               
included in the rental agreement.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MURKOWSKI turned  to Section  34.25.640  on page  4.   She                                                               
related  her understanding  that  when a  lien  is satisfied,  an                                                               
acknowledgement of satisfaction has to be provided.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DAVIES   said  that  he  wasn't   sure  when  the                                                               
aforementioned  requirement arose,  and therefore  he offered  to                                                               
look into it.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1315                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   KOTT   returned    to   the   certified   letter                                                               
[requirement].   He posed a  situation in which an  individual is                                                               
receiving  medical   treatment  out-of-state  for   four  months.                                                               
Although   the  certified   letter   could  have   went  to   the                                                               
individual's house, someone  else could've signed for  it and the                                                               
individual never  saw the letter.   Representative Kott  asked if                                                               
there  is  another  way  to deliver  notice  such  as  restricted                                                               
delivery,  which means  that the  individual  with the  agreement                                                               
would actually be the individual who signs the delivery receipt.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DAVIES pointed  out  that requiring  more than  a                                                               
certified  letter  would provide  no  recourse  if an  individual                                                               
dodges  the receipt  of the  letter  or doesn't  specify a  valid                                                               
address.  In  existing statute, if an individual  doesn't pay the                                                               
rent for  their unit  for three months,  the material  inside the                                                               
unit is auctioned.   Although the details are  being changed, the                                                               
principles  and timelines  aren't  being changed  too  much.   In                                                               
response  to Chair  Murkowski,  Representative  Davies said  that                                                               
Section 34.35.175(b)  specifies that the facility  owner may sell                                                               
the  articles in  the unit  at a  public auction  if the  charges                                                               
aren't paid  within three months.   Representative Davies related                                                               
his belief that  there are some noticing  [requirements] that are                                                               
included within the three months.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1156                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOTT  inquired  as  to the  protections  for  the                                                               
renter with regard to ensuring  that the facility owner sells the                                                               
items  within the  unit  for  a reasonable  price.    He posed  a                                                               
situation in which one of the  articles left in a storage unit is                                                               
a portrait  worth $1,000 and it's  given away.  The  renter would                                                               
still be liable  for the back payments  and administrative costs,                                                               
and the  renter's goods  have been  sold.   He surmised  that the                                                               
renter had no recourse.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAVIES  replied yes.   Under the  present statute,                                                               
the only recourse  is the auctioning of the items  in the storage                                                               
unit.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOTT   interjected  that  the   auctioneer  would                                                               
attempt to obtain the best amount possible.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAVIES  said that  an auction  can still  be done;                                                               
it's one of many options.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KAUFMAN pointed  out that  most [owners]  are attempting  to                                                               
recover lost costs  and thus chances are that  the [owners] would                                                               
want to recover those costs.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1047                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOTT informed the committee  that he has a storage                                                               
unit in  Juneau that  costs $45  a month.   In  that unit  he has                                                               
about $10,000 worth  of equipment.  If he falls  into arrears for                                                               
three months,  the owner could  attempt to recover the  costs for                                                               
the  last  three  months  by  selling  the  equipment  for  $500.                                                               
Representative Kott said that is a potential situation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAVIES  indicated agreement.  He  pointed out that                                                               
an individual  with a  storage unit  containing $10,000  worth of                                                               
stuff  should  be  responsible and  have  a  forwarding  address.                                                               
Representative   Davies   said   he    wasn't   sure   for   whom                                                               
Representative Kott was concerned.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOTT  remarked  that  there  is  nothing  in  the                                                               
legislation that  ensures fair  market value  for whatever  is in                                                               
the storage unit.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN MURKOWSKI directed  attention to page 3,  line 26, which                                                               
reads  as follows:   "(b)  If the  property subject  to the  lien                                                               
appears to be  salable, the facility owner shall  attempt to sell                                                               
the property.  If the facility  owner cannot sell the property or                                                               
if the property appears to  have little value, the facility owner                                                               
may sell, give away, or throw away the property."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOTT noted  that  his equipment  is probably  not                                                               
salable in this city.   Yet, it could be given  away and he would                                                               
still be responsible for the back rent, et cetera.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DAVIES  pointed out  that  if  the equipment  was                                                               
given  away, there  is no  need to  pay.   He specified  that the                                                               
equipment would only be given  away because there was no response                                                               
to a letter noting that the rent was due.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROKEBERG  said  that the  question  then  becomes                                                               
whether giving  away the items  stored in the unit  would satisfy                                                               
the lien if the owner hasn't recovered enough money.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAVIES replied yes.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MURKOWSKI surmised  then that when a lien  is satisfied the                                                               
facility owner  should be required  to submit  an acknowledgement                                                               
of satisfaction.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROKEBERG   pointed  out   that  nothing   in  the                                                               
legislation seeks  to maximize  the recovery.   There could  be a                                                               
situation  in  which  the value  of  the  property  significantly                                                               
exceeds the rent.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DAVIES  mentioned the  good  faith  clause.   The                                                               
problem is  that there is a  lot of different property  housed in                                                               
storage  units, some  of  which is  junk and  some  of which  are                                                               
hidden  heirlooms.   If  there is  [too  much specificity],  it's                                                               
going  to be  difficult for  facility  owners to  dispose of  the                                                               
property.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 0756                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
GRANT    CARLIN,    Self-Storage    Operator,    testified    via                                                               
teleconference in  support of  HB 277.   Mr. Carlin  informed the                                                               
committee that  storage facility  operators would  rather receive                                                               
rent,  and  therefore  they do  everything  possible  to  contact                                                               
delinquent  tenants  in  an  attempt to  avoid  disposal  of  the                                                               
property.  A home telephone  number, a work telephone number, and                                                               
emergency contacts are  all required.  He noted that  he has even                                                               
gone  through  units  in  an   attempt  to  find  an  address  of                                                               
relatives.   Often, tenants move  without providing  a forwarding                                                               
address  or  phone contacts  and  the  emergency contacts  aren't                                                               
reachable.    Therefore, the  facility  owner  is left  with  the                                                               
burden  of  disposing  of  the   property,  which  is  frequently                                                               
worthless.    With  regard  to changing  the  locks,  Mr.  Carlin                                                               
clarified that no  locks are changed but rather a  double lock is                                                               
utilized.   The  security  deposit collected  in Fairbanks  isn't                                                               
equivalent to a month's rent.   He informed the committee that in                                                               
Fairbanks's the security deposits range from $15 to $30.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. CARLIN  recalled that the administrative  process was brought                                                               
up.    He  explained  that the  administrative  process  includes                                                               
things  such  as  running  a  newspaper  advertisement,  drafting                                                               
notices, making  copies, and office  filing.  If  the legislation                                                               
is amended to  require a satisfaction of lien  document, the time                                                               
and  work   involved  with   that  would   be  included   in  the                                                               
administrative costs.   Presently, in Alaska there  is no statute                                                               
that  addresses mini-storage  or  self-storage  facilities.   The                                                               
language in Chapter 45, Unclaimed  Property, is an antiquated law                                                               
that really deals with forwarding  merchants, wharf and warehouse                                                               
operators, and  tavern keepers.   The self-storage industry  is a                                                               
relatively  new industry  that  has  come about  in  the last  25                                                               
years.     The  Unclaimed  Property  statute   involves  judicial                                                               
proceedings and  action by  peace officers,  which would  be cost                                                               
prohibitive and impossible with which to comply.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. CARLIN  noted that another  possibly relevant statute  may be                                                               
the Improvement Lien  on Personal Property.   However, he related                                                               
his  belief  that the  aforementioned  statute  doesn't apply  to                                                               
self-storage units  because there is  no improvement done  to the                                                               
property.    Without  any legislative  guidelines,  the  facility                                                               
operator  is  at  risk  for lawsuits  without  any  authority  to                                                               
dispose of  a tenant's property.   Additionally, HB  277 provides                                                               
steps  for  notification  for  delinquent  tenants,  which  would                                                               
standardize  the procedures  for  all  self-storage operators  in                                                               
Alaska.    Hopefully,  this  would  provide  a  degree  of  legal                                                               
protection.  Also, this legislation  serves the delinquent tenant                                                               
better  than the  current  situation.   [Currently]  there is  no                                                               
requirement of  notification that the tenant's  property is being                                                               
disposed of, which would be  required under HB 277.  Furthermore,                                                               
HB  277 requires  notification of  disposal of  property via  the                                                               
mail  as  well  as  broad  newspaper  notification.    For  these                                                               
reasons,  Mr. Carlin  encouraged the  committee's support  of the                                                               
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0479                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAVIES  requested that  Mr. Carlin comment  on the                                                               
release of  recorded liens  under the  current situation  and the                                                               
concern with being required to provide the release.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CARLIN informed  the  committee  that he  has  only had  one                                                               
tenant request  a satisfaction of  lien.  Due to  the infrequency                                                               
of this, it  isn't a major issue, he said.   The [satisfaction of                                                               
lien] isn't a  great burden; it requires going  to the recorder's                                                               
office and filling out paperwork that is mailed to the tenant.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CARLIN, in  response to  Representative Rokeberg,  confirmed                                                               
that most  of what is unclaimed  doesn't have any real  value and                                                               
ends  up   going  to   a  charity.     In  further   response  to                                                               
Representative Rokeberg,  Mr. Carlin stated  that he has  been in                                                               
business since 1984.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROKEBERG   asked  if  Mr.  Carlin   has  had  any                                                               
experience with tenants who are part of the military.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. CARLIN  replied yes,  and informed  the committee  that about                                                               
one-third  of his  customers are  military.   In his  experience,                                                               
military folks usually know in  advance when they're going out on                                                               
maneuvers and  thus they pay in  advance.  He noted  that he does                                                               
what is possible  to accommodate military customers,  and he even                                                               
offers   military  customers   a  discount.     In   response  to                                                               
Representative Rokeberg, Mr.  Carlin said that he  hasn't had any                                                               
problems with his military tenants.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. CARLIN,  in response to  Chair Murkowski, specified  that the                                                               
costs at his facility would  be fairly representative of those in                                                               
Fairbanks.  He  informed the committee that his  smallest unit is                                                               
$27 a  month, a medium-sized unit  is about $60 a  month, and the                                                               
[largest] size  would run about $95  a month.  He  confirmed that                                                               
he requires  a $15 security deposit  so that he wouldn't  have to                                                               
face the  cleaning [costs] for  things that a tenant  decided not                                                               
to  move.   Therefore,  the  security  deposit is  essentially  a                                                               
cleaning deposit that  is returned if the unit is  vacated in the                                                               
same state in which it was rented.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0245                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MURKOWSKI  asked if the  delinquent tenants with  which Mr.                                                               
Carlin has had experience were delinquent for many months.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. CARLIN answered  that in the past he has  held properties for                                                               
six  months to  a  year, sometimes  because  the weather  doesn't                                                               
allow for disposal.   Mr. Carlin related  that frequently tenants                                                               
abandon their  property because the  property being  stored isn't                                                               
worth the value of the rent owed.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0078                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHARLES  BROBST, President  and  CEO,  North Pacific  Auctioneers                                                               
Limited, testified  via teleconference.  Mr.  Brobst informed the                                                               
committee that  for a five  to six  year period, his  company did                                                               
over 90 percent  of the storage auctions in Anchorage.   With the                                                               
changes  to  the  code,  the  interest  of  the  renter  and  the                                                               
warehouse must  be kept  in mind  equally.   Section 34.35.600(b)                                                               
provides  the owner  the ability  to  have some  leverage on  the                                                               
renter.   However,  when the  unit is  over locked,  the facility                                                               
owner should send a registered  letter, return receipt requested,                                                               
to the renter stating that the renter is in arrears ...                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 02-53, SIDE A                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BROBST   turned  to  Section  34.35.610(b)(2)   and  Section                                                               
34.35.620 require publication  of notice one time  in a newspaper                                                               
of general circulation.   He stressed that one  time isn't enough                                                               
notice.   He suggested publishing  the notice  once a week  for a                                                               
two  week period  in a  newspaper of  general circulation  in the                                                               
town where  the storage facility  is located.   If there  isn't a                                                               
newspaper  of  general  circulation, Mr.  Brobst  suggested  four                                                               
notices posted  in a public  location one  of which would  be the                                                               
post  office serving  the area  and the  other being  the storage                                                               
facility  itself and  then  two other  general  locations.   This                                                               
notification  should give  the date,  time, and  location of  the                                                               
sale and also the amount  owed plus reasonable disposal costs and                                                               
related fees.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 0127                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BROBST moved on to  Section 34.35.630 and characterized it as                                                               
a  license for  the facility  owner to  steal.   When a  facility                                                               
owner takes possession  of the property, he  questioned who would                                                               
determine  whether   the  property   is  salable   or  not.     A                                                               
disinterested  third party,  such  as a  certified auctioneer  or                                                               
certified    appraiser,    should   make    the    aforementioned                                                               
determination.  Although having  a disinterested third party make                                                               
the aforementioned  determination will  be an additional  cost, a                                                               
good sale [will  allow the facility owner] to  recover that cost.                                                               
Mr. Brobst informed the committee  that he has had [the property]                                                               
in units  bring as little  as $5 and up  to $28,000.   He related                                                               
the various  types of property  he has  found in units  that fell                                                               
into delinquency.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BROBST  specified that  when  the  over  lock is  done,  the                                                               
notification  should begin  with a  registered letter  specifying                                                               
that the  property will  be sold.   When the  60 days  have past,                                                               
provide [the renter]  a date, time, and place  where the property                                                               
will be sold.  If the  property isn't sold on the specified date,                                                               
time,  and  place,  then  the  process should  start  over.    He                                                               
emphasized that  too many  of the  auctions in  Anchorage specify                                                               
that the  auction will occur "on  or after" a certain  date.  Mr.                                                               
Brobst  said that  he  attempts  to return  all  of the  personal                                                               
papers  and  photographs  of  the  [delinquent  renter]  via  the                                                               
facility owner.   Furthermore, these  individuals are  allowed to                                                               
purchase their items at the  auction.  Mr. Brobst also emphasized                                                               
the  need for  the property  to be  sold at  the location  of the                                                               
storage facility.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BROBST  mentioned  that sometimes  facility  owners  take  a                                                               
partial payment  and don't apply it  to the bill but  rather hold                                                               
the  partial payment  until the  property is  sold in  hopes that                                                               
there will  be enough to  cover the bill.   Mr. Brobst  said that                                                               
when a partial payment is  taken, the facility owner should start                                                               
the  notification procedure.    Personally,  Mr. Brobst  stressed                                                               
that a  partial payment  shouldn't be  taken unless  the facility                                                               
owner  knows that  the individual  is  acting in  good faith  and                                                               
attempting to get  caught up because after 30  days an individual                                                               
is  too  far  behind to  get  caught  up.    With regard  to  the                                                               
[facility  owner]  not  following   the  procedures,  Mr.  Brobst                                                               
related  his feeling  that  the [facility  owner]  should face  a                                                               
felony and the  facility owner and manager  and auctioneer should                                                               
be held liable.  He noted  that there are some storage facilities                                                               
in the area  that he won't do auctioneering for  because of their                                                               
improper notification.   Mr. Brobst concluded by  offering to fax                                                               
the remainder of his testimony to the committee.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0556                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BROBST, in response to  Representative Rokeberg, said that an                                                               
outcry  auction isn't  required currently,  although in  order to                                                               
obtain the "best bang for your  buck" one would perform an outcry                                                               
auction.   Without a disinterested  third party  [determining the                                                               
salability of  the property], the  legislation opens  the process                                                               
up for  abuse by  unscrupulous managers.   Mr.  Brobst reiterated                                                               
that  an  auctioneer  or certified  personal  property  appraiser                                                               
would  be an  appropriate  disinterested third  party.   He  also                                                               
reiterated the need for "falsification" to be a felony.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROKEBERG pointed  out that  although some  of the                                                               
smaller  communities might  be  large enough  to  have a  storage                                                               
facility, the community might not  have auctioneers or appraisers                                                               
available.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BROBST  suggested that a  magistrate, notary public,  or some                                                               
other  prominent official  in the  town could  possibly determine                                                               
the value of property.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 0754                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
STEVE  CONN (ph)  testified  via teleconference.    He noted  his                                                               
agreement with  Mr. Brobst.  Mr.  Conn said this would  be a poor                                                               
time to  weaken the present law.   He agreed with  the suggestion                                                               
for a registered  letter [of notification].  He  also agreed that                                                               
a  disinterested  party  other  than  a  certified  appraiser  or                                                               
auctioneer could  sign-off in  order to ensure  value.   Mr. Conn                                                               
expressed  the  need   for  the  committee  to   think  of  their                                                               
constituents  who, in  times of  need and  crisis, use  a storage                                                               
facility and may well lose track.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0861                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DENNIS HARRIS  addressed the question  regarding what  happens to                                                               
the property  of individuals in  the military when  their absence                                                               
is due  to overseas duty.   Mr. Harris  recalled that there  is a                                                               
federal law  called the Soldiers  and Citizens Relief  Act, which                                                               
prohibits  seizures of  property with  liens and  foreclosures on                                                               
mortgages while someone is stationed overseas in the military.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MURKOWSKI  recalled that shortly  after the  September 11th                                                               
tragedy, relief was given to those in the active military.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. HARRIS  informed the committee  that almost every  time folks                                                               
are  called for  active duty  with the  National Guard,  there is                                                               
almost  always   a  news  release   reminding  everyone   of  the                                                               
[prohibition of seizures of property  with liens and foreclosures                                                               
on mortgages].                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 0947                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOTT  asked if Section 34.25.630(c)  is already in                                                               
statute.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAVIES  replied no and  pointed out that  there is                                                               
no statute that applies directly to this circumstance.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOTT  questioned why  one would  want to  make the                                                               
facility  owner  the  beneficiary  of  any  excess  money.    For                                                               
instance, excess  money from  disposal of  property at  the state                                                               
level is forwarded to the Department of Treasury.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAVIES  related his interpretation of  the current                                                               
statute that  the facility owner  can sell the property  and keep                                                               
the proceeds.   He explained  that current statutes say  that the                                                               
proceeds of  the sale  are applied  to pay  the expenses,  to the                                                               
discharge  of the  lien,  and the  balance to  the  owner of  the                                                               
article, in  that order.   There doesn't  seem to be  a provision                                                               
with regard to what happens when the owner can't be found.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MURKOWSKI noted that she  has identified several areas that                                                               
need  work, and  therefore she  announced  that HB  277 would  be                                                               
assigned to  a subcommittee.   She announced  that Representative                                                               
Halcro  would be  the Chair  and  she as  well as  Representative                                                               
Hayes would be members of the subcommittee.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BROBST,  in response  to  Representative  Halcro, agreed  to                                                               
forward his suggestions to the subcommittee.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[HB 277 was held over.]                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                

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